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More details on the Elminage Original Limited Edition & Devil Survivor 2

Hi everyone.  It’s been a busy week here at Ghostlight so I’ve got lots to share with you all.  Are you sitting comfortably?  Then I’ll begin.

Firstly, the Agarest: Generations of War PC closed beta has gone live this week.  We’re already getting lots of excellent feedback on the latest build and Laughing Jackal are hard at work looking into some of the issues that have been raised.  If you’ve been selected for the beta and have not yet received your instructions by email please let me know and do remember to sign up for the beta forum linked to in the email.

That’s not all we’ve been working on though, as we have also been hard at work on preparing the Elminage Original Limited Edition for PSP.  The contents aren’t completely finalised yet, but we’re currently planning on including the following items…

- A factory sealed PSP box featuring original Japanese art inlay bearing the name: ‘Elminage Original – Limited Edition’ containing:

  • UMD with colour label
  • Black and white manual
  • 5 collector’s colour art cards

- There will also be a bonus item in the shape of a truly stunning 92-page softback colour Art Book, featuring all monster artwork with their corresponding stats from the game

- Not only that but you will receive an official Ghostlight Certificate of Authenticity, featuring your unique production number out of 300

- “Is that all” you ask?  Well no.  There’s one more special gem that we’re throwing in.  You will also receive a promotional download code for the PSN version of Elminage Original (PSN version) which you can share with a friend!

The physical print run will be limited to just 300 copies which will be made available exclusively through the Ghostlight Webstore to all countries in the PAL region.  The game will be simultaneously released on PSN but there will be no further print runs of the Limited Edition and we have no plans for a standard edition.  We’re currently expecting to release Elminage Original in mid August and the price is yet to be confirmed.  Watch this space because pre-orders will be going live soon – I wonder who will get number 1 of 300?

On to other news now.  All you Devil Survivor fans out there will be pleased to hear that we have managed to finalise discussions with our partners regarding Devil Survivor 2 on DS and have decided to go ahead with the following plan.  Devil Survivor 2 will be released exclusively for pre-order through the Ghostlight Webstore with a (TBC) minimum quantity.  Should we achieve this minimum quantity of pre-orders within one month, we will manufacture and release the game.  However, if we don’t reach the minimum then everyone who pre-ordered the game will be refunded and the game will unfortunately not be released.  We realise that we’re asking for a huge amount of trust and support from our fans on this one, but we know that you are a very special lot and you all seem to fully appreciate what we’re trying to achieve in bringing over JRPGs like DS2.  We simply couldn’t do what we’re doing without you and with your continued support for the Ghostlight cause we’re hoping we can give DS2 its best shot at getting a European release.  As a little incentive, if you do pre-order the game, as a special thank you we’ll add your name to the manual :)

If you have any feedback or questions on this, we’d be very interested to know your thoughts so please let us know in the comments below.  Is this something you would be interested in supporting if the pricing was right?

I know some of you have said you’d rather wait for a potential release of the new 3DS remake, which is fair enough, but for anyone who’s sitting on the fence I must say that I’ve really enjoyed Devil Survivor 2 and think that it would be the perfect game for any of you looking for your SRPG fix after finishing Fire Emblem and Devil Survivor Overclocked.

Keep an eye on the blog next week because we’ll be giving more details about how you can help us release Devil Survivor 2 and get your hands on this fantastic DS game at the same time.

Phew, told you it was going to be a long one!  I’ll be back next week with more news from Ghostlight so until then you can follow Ghostlight on our Twitter and Facebook pages, our YouTube Channel and our  Google + account where we’ll be posting all the latest news.  You can also follow me on Twitter for a more personal take on all things Ghostlight.

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RealSaturn
RealSaturn

I will be away from Friday to Monday. I hope you guys don't remember to open preorders during that time or I'll go nuts.

Souky
Souky

I'd be more than happy to pre-order DS2. I've not gotten round to importing so I'm glad there's going to be an alternative. With the 3DS being region locked I'd really like to help show that there's a market in Europe for Atlus RPGs. Otherwise we may end up missing out in the future.  

Plus I feel like I should be supporting Ghostlight, after all if it wasn't for you guys bringing over Nocturne, I wouldn't have discovered SMT.

Its also supposed to be s really great game too which helps. 

Noowaayy1
Noowaayy1

If you have problems shifting the Elminage game on your webstore Ghostlight, I suggest using Ebay. You'l be able to shift the games quicker if push comes to shove.

Gallifrey
Gallifrey

I already own the US version, but I will preorder one from you too. Great companies have to be supported! :) 

Greetings from a German RPG fan

Pixel
Pixel

So how many Pre-Orders do you need to reach the "minimum quantity" for DS2? 1000, 2000, 100000000?


And more extras weren't too bad, like posters or an artbook or a special case :D

Ghostlight
Ghostlight

We'd like to but we still need to be licensed to publish on Xbox as we don't have one at the moment.

angie winterbottom
angie winterbottom

Last night, I was talking to an American who was disappointed that SMT 4 is dub only. I wasn't that sympathetic because we don't even have a release date, but it got me thinking - DS:O is also dub-only or switch off voices (and I get tempted to use that every time the woman playing Midori speaks...)

Does Devil Survivor 2 DS have voices? Is the American version dub-only? Could the European version be dual language? That way... your version would have something the American version didn't, something valuable to fans.

Ghostlight
Ghostlight

There are several reasons why we don't want to just wait. 1) No one can actually guarantee that they'll be able to release Break Record until a deal is reached to publish it. 2) We've already done most of the work on the game. Seeing as there are some people out there who would like the game as long as we can break even on the manufacturing costs we'd rather allow them to play it rather than just sit on it.

JamesDolan
JamesDolan

Having my name on the manual is nice and all but how bout you sweeten this very awkward, very late release with a poster akin your poster edition of DS:O?

Binks5
Binks5

I think people should pre-order so that Atlus stop sniffing glue and finally realize they have a fanbase as big if not bigger in the Europe then NA, seriously Atlus seriously

 I would pre-order to help out but unfortunately i live in canada

LonKMalkavar
LonKMalkavar

DS ha muerto ya. Tenéis que pensar en el futuro, y el futuro se llama 3DS. Yo ahora mismo no compraría DS2 en Nintendo DS sabiendo que hay una versión de 3DS mejor. Yo creo que lo más inteligente sería esperar y lanzar el juego de 3DS.

Cameron Thomas
Cameron Thomas

Wouldn't the upcoming 3DS version make more sense? Just curious. Seems like the logical course of action.

Ghostlight
Ghostlight

Yu Izanami Narukami There are several reasons why we don't want to just wait. 1) No one can actually guarantee that they'll be able to release Break Record until a deal is actually reached to publish it. 2) We've already done most of the work on the game. Seeing as there are some people out there who would like the game as long as we can break even on the manufacturing costs we'd rather allow them to play it rather than just sit on it.

Mats Johansson
Mats Johansson

Break Record doesn't even have a set release date in Japan yet, nor a confirmed release for the US. The points you raise are all based on assumptions and that doesn't cut it for companies. They need a solid product to release and not something that might or might not get translated in the future, especially a small publisher such as Ghostlight. But I do agree that I would love to see Break Record get a european release and I would also buy that, even though I would already own the original DS2.

Yu Izanami Narukami
Yu Izanami Narukami

Except you're not really supporting the series since it's an extremely limited run. If ghostlight publish DS2 they won't publish break Record. 3DS is region locked. All localisations should prioritise region locked software and new software for new systems.

Yu Izanami Narukami
Yu Izanami Narukami

so rather than get new games your'e wasting resources and time on 2 year old games that 80% of the fan base has imported? I don't understand the business decision you guys come to. Would it make logical sense to wait for Break Record 2 instead since it's a DS2 remake? I mean This decision to publish DS2 is utterly mind boggling. Why would fans support DS2 when Break Record comes out in States September? Just pick up Break Record and release it for 3DS. If you get enough pre orders then what? Are you going to ignore Break Record? Because you never released the original Devl survivor on DS and waited for 3DS version rightly so. I know i'm raising good points. You guys need to think before going through these time consuming processes.

Ghostlight
Ghostlight

I'll try to give you guys some advanced notice.

Ghostlight
Ghostlight

Unfortunately due to licensing agreements we can't ship to the US.

Noelemahc
Noelemahc

If it's gonna be a Hyper Limited Super Bonus Edition, I'm gonna be all over DS2 even in the DS version. Otherwise, no incentive at all since I already imported the US release.

It would also be totally awesome if you'd start talking to ATLUS about Break Record now, before the US release happens, so there would be less than two years of waiting between it's US and EU releases.

P
P

I have to say I see very little point in releasing DS2 for the DS. The region free version has been out in English for quite some time and it's fairly cheap to import. The 3DS version is region locked, so why not go straight for that version instead? 

JWiley_12
JWiley_12

@LOBO4000 I own all three games so probably not right away. Might pick a HD rerelease up at a budget price if there's noteworthy extras in there though. But I certainly wouldn't preorder it.

Noowaayy1
Noowaayy1

Oh and by the way, if you sell your 300 game Elminage quota, will you be doing more? Like in small amounts? Like 100 copies at a time?

Noowaayy1
Noowaayy1

@Pixel  

To be eligible to order the game, you'l have to consume Aiyas Rainy day special, the Mega Beef Bowl infront of the Ghostlight staff. Or so I hear.

Ross Brierley
Ross Brierley moderator

@Pixel I'll try and get more details for you.  We'll definitely post the info before we ask for pre-orders.

Noowaayy1
Noowaayy1

@angie winterbottom 

How can they be dissapointed? Atlus USA does not do dual audio releases. You'd have to be new to buying Atlus games to even expect more than just a dub.

Noelemahc
Noelemahc

@angie winterbottom The DS versions of both games are voiceless, worry not. Only the 3DS port of DeSu 2 is voiced, just like with the original.

Ross Brierley
Ross Brierley moderator

@LonKMalkavar Apologies for replying in English.

There are several reasons why we don't want to just wait.

1) No one can actually guarantee that they'll be able to release Break Record until a deal is reached to publish it.

2) We've already done most of the work on the game.  Seeing as there are some people out there who would like the game as long as we can break even on the manufacturing costs we'd rather allow them to play it rather than just sit on it.

JWiley_12
JWiley_12

@Yu Izanami Narukami Ghostlight has stated that if they reach the mimimum quantity of 2500 (which means there still is a demand for the game), they might (will?) start distributing the game to retail (Amazon, ...). The original limited run is to minimize the risk in bringing the game to Euro markets. 

JWiley_12
JWiley_12

@Yu Izanami Narukami Break Record does not come out in the States in September. It will come out in Japan in September at best. Was supposed to be released there this very month, but because of Atlus going bankrupt it's been pushed back to Q4. It's still not certain that it will ever make it to the Western markets. 

And can we get any actual data saying that 80% of the fans imported Devil Survivor 2? I import a lot of games, and I didn't.

I understand your frustration over the delays (I don't like waiting that long either), but you are not raising good points. Everything is based on rumours and guesses.

Ross Brierley
Ross Brierley moderator

@PThere are several reasons why we don't want to just wait.

1) No one can actually guarantee that they'll be able to release Break Record until a deal is actually reached to publish it.

2) We've already done most of the work on the game.  Seeing as there are some people out there who would like the game as long as we can break even on the manufacturing costs we'd rather allow them to play it rather than just sit on it.

Foxfyre
Foxfyre

@P They can't go 'straight for' the 3ds version as it's not even out in Japan yet. And who knows how long it will take for it to have an English, if at all.

JWiley_12
JWiley_12

@P What do you mean "very little point"? From your perspective maybe. But from Ghostlight's perspective they have a version that they have already invested time and assets in, and that is as good as ready for release. So it makes perfect sense to release it. Basically all that is left is create a market for it. And that you do by making it "different enough" from the US version. For example by adding collector's items to it, make it available digitally, get the fans involved like they do here with the "minimum quantity" or make it rare with a limited print, like Elminage. 

RealSaturn
RealSaturn

@PI have to agree with that, but on the other hand, being a collector, I'd love to get an European retail version of DS2 :/. So I will support Ghostlight.

Ross Brierley
Ross Brierley moderator

@Noowaayy1 We've got no plans to.  We certainly won't be doing anymore collector's editions though.


It will be on PSN so people will be able to buy it on there though.

angie winterbottom
angie winterbottom

@Noowaayy1 We live in a world of change, just because something has always been one way, doesn't mean it will always be that way. 

At one point we never got Atlus games at all in Europe, but now we do. 

Also - Bandai Namco have never released a "Tales Of" game with a sub, but next year they are bringing out the Tales Of Symphonia compilation to PS3 with dual-language options.

BenoitRen
BenoitRen

@Noowaayy1 Trying to reason with Japanese voice acting fans is a waste of time.

Noelemahc
Noelemahc

@Ross Brierley @LonKMalkavar It would still be interesting to know why it took so long with DS2. And Overclocked (considering the bugs of the American version like undubbed and untranslated lines are still in) too.

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P

That's the other thing I don't get. I can't imagine how they can turn a profit by making 300 copies of anything, with all those extras no less. Gaijinworks just made a limited print run of a PSP game and claimed they needed at least 2500 people paying a rather steep price for it to make it it financially worthwhile.

Well, not my headache I suppose. I just with they'd put their efforts into releasing stuff that's not readily available by importing. I'd rather have more 3DS games we aren't otherwise going to get rather than wait for a year or two for a EU release, no matter what kind of cheap junk it comes with. Each to his own, I guess.

Ross Brierley
Ross Brierley moderator

@JWiley_12 You pretty much hit the nail on the head with that last bit. (If it's not clear this in regards to why it's getting a very small physical run)

JWiley_12
JWiley_12

@Ross Brierley Yeah, as I said above (and while I'm clearly not involved in that side of things either ;-)) I'm guessing it's going to be in the £70-80 region. 

And also wasn't doubting that GL had already costed out everything.

My point was that you probably can't compare GL and Gaijinworks here.

Ross Brierley
Ross Brierley moderator

@JWiley_12 I haven't been told the price we're looking at but I'd be surprised if it's not far less than £200.  For those of you worried about it being such a small print run while I'm not involved in that side of things I know it has been fully costed out. 

JWiley_12
JWiley_12

@PWell, let's do the math, shall we? If Gaijinworks needed 2500 copies at £24 to break even, that would mean at total budget of £60,000 to make it happen. 

Also note that Gaijinworks needed around £332,000 from Kickstarter to do a deluxe pack of that same game. The first tier at which you got that actual deluxe pack was $59 (£39). That would mean (if we follow the same logic) at least 8500 sold units needed to break even. (Although a minimum quantity was never mentioned there.)

Now, going by that logic the Elminage Original packages should then cost £200 each. Which is... a lot. :-)

 Which is why I think you can't compare both cases, as Gaijinworks and Ghostlight likely have very different cost structures. 

But anyway, we'll see what they come up with. :-)


P
P

Vic Ireland has been clear that they needed to sell 2500 copies or they'd be selling at a loss. Elminage has more expensive costs than a full-color manual. I agree we can expect Elminage to be more expensive and I'm curious to see the price of this thing. I'm interested in buying myself, but there's so much I'm going to pay for a PSP game that, let's be honest here, hasn't reviewed all that great. I'm assuming we are expected to pay premium for 'bragging rights' for owning something 'rare' and for some very questionable 'investement opportunity'. Oh well, that's all Ghostlight's business. If I can get Elminage for a price I think is reasonable, I'm happy.

JWiley_12
JWiley_12

@P The Gaijinworks case is not wholly comparable. First of all because that release will have a full colour manual, and 2 different covers and UMD stickers (one regular and one for Kickstarter backers). So it's not really 2500, but more like 2200 and 300 or so where the 2200 pay extra to fund the other, even more limited print. Also not many "regular" releases have full colour releases anymore nowadays, I assume because the extra cost of it is tangible. Yet the price for that release was $36 (~£24) which is a budget price really.  

Also it is my understanding that Gaijinworks plans to help fund future PSP/physical releases with the profits of this first game. So they want to make a profit out of it. Preferably enough to enable those future releases. Or at least to start working on it. Note that Gaijinworks also did the complete translation of Class of Heroes 2 and they plan to do that on future releases as well.

I'm expecting the Elminage release to be a lot more expensive. Given the artbook and the art cards, it's say probably triple the Gaijinworks amount. Might be even more.(Sorry, Ghostlight, I have no idea how you price your games, so took a really wild guess. :-))

Maybe there's even a difference because of the developers. Acquire is a bigger company than Starfish SD afaik. Maybe the royalties and/or their leverage with publishers is also bigger? 

Also maybe Ghostlight might just sell them at near cost price, because it's only 300 pieces, and make profit on the digital release of the game. It might be just a way of giving back to the fans.


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